Devotee: By chemically changing the genes in the living being we can, before conception, make a superior...
Prabhupāda: You can... First of all you be beaten with shoes. That's all. Then you can.
Devotee: No, we've actually done it. We've changed some genes and made some people better. By experimentation we can make people...
Prabhupāda: And your big, big cities are full with hippies. You cannot induce them to give up their LSD, and you are making better men. Better men is going to become worse. Just see how cheating.
Devotee: Oh, you mean once we make the better men they'll just degrade again?
Prabhupāda: Simply bogus propaganda. (break)
Devotee (2) ...that their educational system has failed. Therefore they...
Prabhupāda: Yes. They should close the universities and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Devotee (2): So by birth they want to make better men. They can't make them by culture.
Prabhupāda: No, culture... They adopt real culture. What do they know about culture? They're killing their own children in the womb, and they're cultured? Worse than the animals. The animals do not do that. These rascals, they are cultured? So wretched and fallen, and they are claiming to be cultured.
Devotee: So you can't culture a superior man unless you are one yourself.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Devotee: It's not possible to culture a superior man unless you are one yourself.
Prabhupāda: Yes. First of all be yourself a cultured man, a gentleman. You are worse than animals. What animals cannot do, you are doing that. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break)
...man is defined by Cāṇakya Paṇḍit.
mātṛvat para-dāreṣu
para-dravyeṣu loṣṭravat
ātmavat sarva-bhūteṣu
yaḥ paśyati sa paṇḍitaḥ
Here is culture. First thing is, any woman except one's own wife.
Devotee (2) What is that, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Any woman should be looked upon as mother. This is culture. Except his married wife, all women should be treated as mother. The brahmacārīs were taught like that, "Mother." This is culture. Simply they are trying to elope other's wife, other's woman, exploit them. And they're cultured. There is no culture at the present moment. Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu para-dravyeṣu loṣṭravat: "And others' money should be treated just like pebbles in the street." Nobody cares for it. So they are simply making plans how to grab others' money. And ātmavat sarva bhūteṣu: "And if you feel pains and pleasure, you should consider for others also." If your throat is cut, then do you feel very happy? Why you are cutting the throats of the poor animals? Where is culture? There is no culture. Simply rogues and thieves and rascals and fools. Where is culture? They do not know what is the meaning of culture. Here is culture, three words:
mātṛvat para-dāreṣu
para-dravyeṣu loṣṭravat
ātmavat sarva-bhūteṣu
yaḥ paśyati sa paṇḍitaḥ
(Cāṇakya Paṇḍit)
He is cultured.
Devotee (2): Otherwise just animal.
Prabhupāda: Simply animal.
Devotee (2): It is very logical.
Devotee: Śrīla Prabhupāda, should we call all the women "mother"?
Prabhupāda: Yes. And treat with like mother. Not only call, but treat with like mother.
Devotee: Actually, we have not even any idea how to treat mother.
Prabhupāda: Learn it. At least mother should not be proposed for sex. This much you can learn. Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu para-dravyeṣu loṣṭravat, ātmavat sarva-bhūteṣu. (break)... two questions: that they have not gone to moon planet, and they cannot make even a chicken egg, you make great propaganda.
Devotee (2): Yes.
Prabhupāda: The rascals will be proved that they're really rascals.
Devotee (2): They're saying to make human being. First let them make an ant or an egg.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Just see. Then? (Bengali) "You cannot catch even non-poisonous snake, and you are telling that 'I shall now catch cobra.'"
Devotee: Isn't that "shooting the rhinoceros"?
Prabhupāda: Shooting?
Devotee: The rhinoceros or hippopotamus or some... You're trying to shoot some big animal, and if you can't do it everybody will say, "Oh, he could never do it anyway." And if he does it, they all praise?
Prabhupāda: No, no, to kill animal is not very heroic. Nonsense. Innocent animal wandering and you kill. "Oh, very great hero." Again he deserves to be kicked on the face. All action, they are simply rewarded with kicking on the face. Why should you kill animal? Ātmavat sarva-bhūteṣu. If you are killed, you feel pain. Why should you kill others unnecessarily? (break)
Devotee (3): They had one tablet for pregnant mothers, and that tablet was used very much in Europe, and that tablet proved to be very harmful to the children that were born. They created terrible deformities amongst many, many children. So there was a tremendous lawsuit against the company. I think it was a German company.
Prabhupāda: What for the tablet was used?
Devotee (3): Something... some vitamin for the pregnant mothers.
Devotee (2): Thalidomide, yes?
Devotee (3): Yes.
Devotee (2): The babies, they came out with no arms. Just hands like this coming from their shoulder. Flippers.
Prabhupāda: Just see. This is their cheating. (break)... everything had been experimented, and they were defeated; still, "science." This is their foolishness. (break)... telling me that fifty thousand people died by motor accident?
Devotee (2): I was telling you that. In America they used to have...
Prabhupāda: Just see. One city is finished.
Devotee: Fifty thousand?
Devotee (2): Each year.
Devotee (3): It used to be ten thousand.
Devotee (2): Oh, fifty thousand. That was years ago even.
Prabhupāda: So this is the advancement. Every year one city is finished. This is the advancement.
Devotee (3): They were making one joke that on the Independence Day of America everyone goes out in their car and celebrates. They were making a joke that more people will die by the celebration than died in the original battle of getting the independence. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: Just see their intelligence. Andha yathāndhair upaniyamanas te 'pisa-tantryam uru-damni baddhaḥ (SB 7.5.31). By nature's law they are bound up hands and legs, and still, they are trying to do something independently. That is their fault.
Indian man: Don't you think that the scientists have done good things but people have...
Prabhupāda: What is that good thing, first of all say.
Indian man: For example, they have invented medicines like the...
Prabhupāda: But have they stopped disease?
Indian man: But...
Prabhupāda: Now, no "but." First of all, they have got medicine for making money, but have they stopped disease?
Indian man: To some extent.
Prabhupāda: "To some extent," that is another bluff. That is another bluff. "To future," "some extent." Why some extent? Stop it.
Indian man: There were many people dying in Africa.
Prabhupāda: Everyone is dying. How you will live?
Indian man: Malaria...
Prabhupāda: No, no. Will you live forever?
Indian man: No, sir.
Prabhupāda: Then why do you speak that many are living? You cannot live. That is nature's law. You must die—today or tomorrow, it doesn't matter.
Indian man: They died before time comes. People die before time if there is no...
Prabhupāda: At the present moment they are not dying?
Indian man: Not... They should... There have been more deaths than...
Prabhupāda: So more or less, they are dying. Can you stop it? This is all bluffing, and fools are bewildered by these, all these propositions. You have to die today or tomorrow. Can you stop your death?
Indian man: No.
Prabhupāda: Then where is the benefit of this? And pay the scientists money for bluffing? You'll die, today or tomorrow. It doesn't matter. Why you are anxious? After all, we have to die. Just like we are in a friend's place. We have to vacate it. And if two days' advance, "All right, you can remain two days," that means I have got the proprietorship of the house? It is all nonsense. You have to die. Stop this death; then there is credit. If I become proprietor of the house, that is credit. And if I am living for four days, if they give concession, "All right, you can live two days more," is that very great benefit? I'll have to leave it. Similarly, you will have to die, today or tomorrow. It doesn't matter.
Indian man: But only... (indistinct)... can stop this death...
Prabhupāda: Nobody is... Rascals and fools will that: "I'll not die today. Tomorrow I shall die." (laughter) This is rascal. This is rascal. These things will be done by the rascals. "I'll not die today. I'll die tomorrow." This is rascaldom.
Indian man: About religion, Swāmījī. Religion is capable to stop death?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Here the... Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti (BG 4.9). That is our proposal, to go back to home, back to Godhead. No more death.
Indian man: After death, no death?
Prabhupāda: No death.
Indian man: Okay then, Swāmījī, we should. . .
Prabhupāda: "After death" means we have got this body; we'll have to leave it. That is certain. But after leaving this body, you are not going to get another body which will die. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. If they can manufacture some medicine that "You have suffered from diseases. Now you take this medicine—no more disease," then there is credit. No more disease. But there is no guarantee.
Indian man: One kind of disease.
Prabhupāda: One kind or another kind, disease is disease. Disease is disease. It is foolish for the person to think, "If I would have gotten that disease, it was better for me." This is foolish, another foolishness. Disease is disease. Disease means suffering. You have to suffer, that's all, this disease or that disease.
Devotee (2): The man who owns this house, his wife died recently from cancer. He sent her to London for special treatment, very costly, and they could not do anything.
Prabhupāda: Ah. Just see. Where is... This is their science: take money and do nothing.
Devotee (2): At least in the past when there was disease people would depend on God more. Now they depend on the doctors.
Prabhupāda: No, still they have to depend on God. Otherwise this man spent so much money. God denied, "No, your wife will not stay," and she had to die. (break)
Devotee (3): ....when she went to London for treatment she became worse.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like vitamin pill—no hand.
Devotee (4): Yes. No arms.
Prabhupāda: Simply they are cheating. There was one gentleman, English gentleman, Sir William Temple. He used to say, "I wish to die without a doctor. Don't bring doctor."
Devotee (4): Without a doctor.
Prabhupāda: Yes. "Let me die peacefully. Don't bring doctor." I say also. Don't bring doctor here when I am diseased. (break)
Devotee: All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Jaya.
(Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, Mauritius, October 25, 1975)
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